Miyamoto always planned to make Princess Peach a powerful woman.
So I've been watching the Variety interview featuring Miyamoto about the Mario Movie and he gave some interesting insight on Peach. She was always meant to be a powerful princess since the beginning, and the movie had that opportunity
So this is what Miyamoto wanted all along pic.twitter.com/EYkqG76t4s
— PownicMania (@PownicMania5000) April 4, 2023
by Wubbzy-mon
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I mean, good on him if true. But this smells a little revisionist
I don’t believe this one bit. If he wanted to make Princess Peach a powerful woman, why did he never do it once in any games he worked on?
Take this with a grain of salt, though.
Then why have you never ever ever done anything with her like this. I mean i know Nintendo was really not good with this in the early days arguably still to this. But this is just some bullshit
I dont know if I can believe this, But I wont deny that there is evidence of it throughout the franchise’s history (Super Mario 2, SMA comics, 3Dworld etc). Maybe he always wanted that, but felt the need to follow through with the traditional damsel route instead
Sure Shigeru, sure
I do love playable Peach, wish she was playable more often.
I don’t believe him
Calling bullshit. If he did, it would have happened back in the 90’s. Instead, the games that featured Peach as a strong character were the Mario RPGs. And famously, he took out everything that made Peach strong in Sticker Star and its sequels Color Splash and Origami King by mandating that the games follow the platformers as closely as possible.
I’m not saying Miyamoto has it out for Peach or that she’s an inherently bad character. But that statement is flatout disproven by the facts.
A powerful Princess Peach doesn’t even make any traditional sense. In the Mario games, Bowser is King Koopa because he is, well, obviously, a King. He clearly wants to kidnap Peach and forcibly marry her due to the way royal bloodlines work; it confers kingdom onto him of the Mushroom… Kingdom. King.
If Peach is a princess that kicks ass and fights back and whatever, that’s fine, but it should be a moot or irrelevant point. The games are set up so that Bowser has taken Peach to forcibly “unify” his Kingdom(s since he would then be King of the Mushroom Kingdom and Koopa Kingdom) and that sets in motion the need for a hero or savior.
Her being kickass doesn’t… make any sense… It wouldn’t serve the games or any of the action in the games. The idea is that by Peach being imperiled, so is the world, and the fate of the Mushroom Kingdom hangs in the balance. The idea isn’t that Peach is a badass warrior who can hold her own, because even if she could, the story demands that she has already lost and the Kingdom is about to become Bowsers.
I think Miyamoto is just bullshitting.
No he didn’t, but it doesn’t really matter. Just the standard knight in shining armor saving the damsel in distress story, I’m fine with her being given more of a personality tbh, just makes her a more interesting character
Miyamoto is pretty candid with Peach in previous interview
*”why peach is a kidnapped princess?”*
*”well, backthen most gamers are boys and story of adventures to save a kidnapped princess resonate greatly with them. Now we have more female gamers, we also adapt our stories to cater to them too.”*
You want to do know the second most annoying annual event in my life after taxes?
When Nintendo sends me the email celebrating International Womens Day with a bunch of screenshots of Samus and a bunch of female characters they have never made a decent game around.
i recently played through all the New Super Mario Bros. games again and, uh, no, I don’t really buy this. but she’s equally capable in games like SMB2, 3D World, all the sports games, etc., and I’m glad the movie presents her in a strong light.
Miyamoto famously dislikes the RPGs that made Peach a strong female character. Mainly due to their stories (I should not have to explain that stories are intertwined with character development but I’ll mention it anyways). This doesn’t track.
Didn’t at some point said that she is letting herself to get kidnapped out of the thrill of it? Or was it a rumor? There are plenty of rumors out there so when you don’t really care about something you end up not knowing if true or false.
I, uh, don’t really buy that for a second. He had _plenty_ of opportunity to move on from the damsel-in-distress trope and never, ever did. Reggie even mentioned in an E3 presser that rescuing the princess is a core part of the Mario formula.
He had plenty of opportunities in the 20+ years of her being in games. I mean I have no issue with peach’s representation – she is what she is: the classic damsel in distress. The character I really wish they would include her more and give her more agency is Zelda. She is the one that would be really interesting to have her own game and flip it where she is having to rescue Link.
I thought I was going to open this and it said “He just waited until 2023” or something like a joke punch line.
I thought this was a joke post.
I mean, the whole plot of the original Super Mario Bros. was that Mario/Luigi had to rescue Peach because she was the only one in the Mushroom Kingdom with powerful enough magic to reverse Bowser’s spell that turned most of the residents into blocks and plants and such.
Not quite the same as being powerful the way that an active “adventuring” sort of character would be, of course… but the idea of Peach being powerful was there from the beginning.
bs she was getting kidnapped in games that came out less than 10 years ago. Her solo game has her crying as a super power.
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But hey, better late than never to change.
I mean in Mario 1, Mario destroy 7 castles to “save” Princess Peach.
Bowser has a huge kingdom and Peach. It seems to be a strategic alliance.
Mario? A plumber.
Jesus, even this thread has pointless anger. He said he planned it, so what’s the problem? Why even jump down the anger hole to call bullshit? What does that accomplish?
I doubt it.
Games with Miyamoto’s involvement usually result in Peach being the one that’s captured. The games where she’s playable either lack Miyamoto’s involvement (i.e., Super Princess Peach, most of the RPG games pre-Sticker Star, etc.), had the change made based on another party’s recommendation (i.e., 3D World having her added upon Koizumi’s recommendation, DDP being changed to SMB2 for demographics in the USA, etc.), or are spin-off titles (i.e., Mario Kart, Mario Sports, Mario Party, etc.). Usually the drive to have her be more independent came from other members of Nintendo, not Miyamoto.
1. Stop trying to revise history
2. It’s ok for the Mario series to have the damsel in distress trope.
3. Its ok for Peach to function differently in the new movie, as it makes for better narrative cohesion for a “crossing into worlds trope” for Mario to be saving someone he already knew
4. Its ok if some fans are disappointed that an iconic bit from the games won’t appear on screen due to this tweaking.
None of this conversation needs to be toxic, people can like or prefer things you don’t. It doesn’t have to be “woke” or “sexist” or whatever. And it certainly doesn’t require bending over backwards to try and fit this into whatever the hell narrative.
The subs are wrong. I listened to the clip.
I am a professionally trained English – Japanese translator. Miyamoto doesn’t say “she was always meant to be” strong and powerful in the clip at all.
I assume the subs are like that because that’s how the interpreter sitting next to him translated it, but it’s not accurate.
He first states that it’s hard to get a concept of Peach as a character in the original games. He then goes on to say that in making her a character, they wanted her to have more responsibilities as a princess. Therefore, for the movie, they wanted to emphasise how she is a person who is capable of fighting.
He never mentions that her original character was meant to be powerful, only that her character was not really defined in the earlier games, so they focussed on making her more powerful for the movie.