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The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom started development as a dungeon-maker



In this interview, the developers mention that the game started development for a full year as a dungeon-maker game, where players could create their own dungeons, before switching development to the current iteration of the game.

This is quite interesting, as many fans have been asking for this kind of game following the success of Mario Maker.

by sambarjo

32 Comments

  1. kuribosshoe0

    Hopefully they come back to the Zelda Maker concept at some point.

  2. linkling1039

    I still think Zelda Maker will happen at some point. 

    >I felt that the “edit dungeon” feature they showed me had significant potential to be developed into a new way of playing the Legend of Zelda games if the gameplay was changed to use “echoes” instead. So, I thought it would be good to expand in that direction and could be even more interesting that way. However, there was one concern. Even though game consoles have larger memory capacity nowadays, the more things players can copy and paste, the more game memory is used up. I was really worried that it would crash the game.

    Hope they revisit that idea on the next console.

  3. I do believe Nintendo or Grezzo will make a Zelda Maker in the future. Probably for their next console.

  4. Wakkadoo507

    Probably the right decision. I think people overestimate how fun or viable a Zelda Maker game would be.

    Mario is about getting from point A to point B, and most levels only take a few minutes to complete. It’s an easy concept that anyone can understand and enjoy.

    Zelda dungeons are a lot more obtuse and can take 20-60 minutes to complete. Asking regular people to make one of those is a pretty tall order.

    I’m not saying it can’t be done, but I don’t think it’s going to happen for a long time still.

  5. MetaVaporeon

    gonna be honest, i had a feeling it did.

    rooms are so tiny and squarey most of the time.

  6. KatamariRedamancy

    When are they gonna lift the review embargo for this thing? I’ve been refreshing like a madman.

  7. Northumberlo

    I kind of really want Nintendo to come out with a “Nintendo Maker”, which takes ideas from multiple games and allows players to mix and match concepts and game elements, including characters, health systems, etc.

    – Mario

    – Zelda link to the past

    – Metroid

    – Donkey Kong

    – Kirby

    Game modes:

    – sidescroller

    – top down

    Health:

    – Mario style

    – hearts

    – DK teammate style

    – health bar

  8. Paulsonmn31

    So Nintendo has been working on an unreleased Zelda Maker for like 6 years at least?

  9. OwlsParliament

    IMO a “Zelda Maker” woud be a hard-sell but i’d love to see an official Zelda rogue-like at some point.

  10. PtitWiggler

    You mean there will be dungeons in this one?? /s

  11. Mediocre-Win1898

    Some of the functionality in EoW was already present in the Link’s Awakening remake, if you used cheats. For example being able to walk over trees and walls already existed if you modified Link’s Z value.

  12. xtoc1981

    So its prob a switch 2 thing instead of mario maker

  13. holy_toledo

    I wonder if that’s why they had that course in Link’s Awakening with Dampe, where you had to arrange chambers in a dungeon and then complete it.

  14. Half_Canadian

    I wouldn’t buy a Zelda Maker game because I also have never bought Mario Maker. I believe a lot of casual gamers have a similar opinion that it’s not as engaging or fun to create a game rather than play the game that Nintendo’s staff have designed.

    For example, Super Mario Maker 2 has sold <8.5 million copies. Super Mario Bros Wonder, a game that has existed for only 6 months, already surpassed those numbers by selling ~13.5 million copies. So I can understand the passion of some players, but they are likely in the minority.

  15. Tha_Real_B_Sleazy

    So they are listeneing to us.

    I remember a couple years back a lot of people were wanting a LoZ: Dungeon Maker

  16. MaximumGlum9503

    A few hours in, pretty awesome game, seems freaking huge tho loving all the crazy madness with the wand

  17. blueblurspeedspin

    Like the maker in Link’s awakening? Makes sense.

  18. Bulky-Complaint6994

    Ohh so close to a Zelda Maker. The copy gimmick and ability to moves objects I can see being a retooled from said Zelda Maker assets. I already know that I’m getting Echoes of Wisdom for Christmas from one of my siblings 

  19. bigfuzzydog

    I would have much preferred a dungeon maker to what the game is now. Im all for zelda as the player character but I was hoping for something more like a battle mage zelda or zelda as sheik. Anyway I hope those who are excited for this game enjoy it but I dont know if its for me

  20. PhoenixNightingale90

    I reaaallly wanted a shrine maker for TOTK.

    The abilities we got in TOTK are incredible but still feel under utilised in terms of the complexity of some puzzles. I want to try and complete other peoples crazy creations.

  21. bisforbenis

    Honestly I think BotW and TotK style puzzles are a better basis for a dungeon maker, making something akin to their shrines. The physics based puzzles allow an open-endedness that’s needed for a “maker” game and also is built to be shorter form, which is also ideal for such a game

  22. Gerrorism

    Honestly, if we could get a Zelda dungeon builder game with multiplayer and real-time monster editing, I would run D&D sessions on it.

  23. The_real_bandito

    So they were working on a full game off that Links Awakening mini game. I love that mini game too.

  24. Rare_Hero

    Good. When I buy a game, I don’t wanna work & make the game. Heck, I don’t even like playing games with character creation. You design, I buy & play. 😛👍

  25. I get the want for a Zelda Maker game but I really don’t think it’d be very good.

    Mario Maker was awesome cause literally anyone had the potential to make a pretty fun platformer level. Making a whole dungeon with puzzles to solve and enemies placed strategically throughout seems like Calculus in comparison.

  26. BoboCookiemonster

    If Nintendo ever makes a dungeon maker they better give me the option to export the maps and use them as dnd dungeons lol

  27. SYZekrom

    People are heavily misinterpreting this interview, he’s saying the player’s power was going to be like dungeon editing instead of copy-pasting enemies, not that it was an actual dungeon maker.

  28. garbageaccount1221

    Yeah i heard when developing the game, one of the bosses was gonna be ***ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL* *ERROR: NULL***

  29. zangrabar

    I want a pokemon maker. The rom hack community is getting so big.

  30. Adanskiii

    I had a feeling they were going for a Dragon Quest Builders style

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