Why It’s Morally Okay To Pirate All Of Nintendo’s Games (The Jimquisition)
Why It’s Morally Okay To Pirate All Of Nintendo’s Games (The Jimquisition)
by Thenewgameboy
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SSJONY
while I get what he is trying to say… no, no its not okay to pirate games In general.
a way to strike back for these youtubers (jim,angryjoe etc) having “trouble” with youtube/nintendo is to stop reporting or talking about Nintendo games,news or anything related to them.
I’m sure youtube and reddit comments on this video will be fair and reasonable on both sides…
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selfthoughtman
I used to pirate Nintendo games because they wouldn’t make them available for us in Morocco. I’ve done from the GameCube and onward. I’ve decided I won’t do it for the Switch though since now I have the means to travel to Spain and France and buy the stuff there, but I won’t blame anyone in my country who does pirate them.
UltraHacker9000
Ok watched the video for a few minutes. “Why its morally ok to pirate ALL THEIR GAMES!” Is straight up clickbait bullshit. Even takes him a while to get to a point…
Heres what i gathered so far: He is rightfully butthurt Nintendo is screwing Youtubers. Thats it, bottom line. Thank you for your input mr, sterling, almost got me to waste 17 minutes of my life on that premise. I agree with him though, nintendo needs to fix taht,
RQK1996
it is not
theBMB
What I don’t get is why people seem to take Nintendo’s youtube policies so personally. I understand that their mindset regarding fair use is kinda shitty and archaic, but for most consumers, that’s not really a direct problem. How many people are actually trying to upload footage of Nintendo games *and* make money off of said videos with ad revenue? The policy is really shitty for popular youtubers, but they make up less than .001 percent of Nintendo’s primary audience.
This is more of a response to people in the comments of this video but, you can say that it’s annoying to not be able to watch a lot of nintendo related videos on youtube (which you can, because a lot of uploaders on youtube don’t care about ad revenue) and you can say that you’re sympathetic to youtubers who have to deal with this problem, but is this one policy really enough to say that you hate Nintendo and want them to fail?
20Vivillon
Counter argument: If you have a problem with Nintendo’s policies, simply don’t play, acknowledge, or affiliate yourself with their games. It’s less hypocritical, and does a better job of quashing by not drawing attention to Nintendo.
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Why would anyone willingly watch Jim Sterling?
HSAMS
All right then. You can go ahead and pretend to be “self righteous” and pirate Nintendo’s stuff but you won’t be hurting those executives that helped institute the Youtube copyright rules. You’ll be hurting the little guys, the developers, sound designers, artists, all these guys. So yeah, good luck.
I mean, I have personal issues with Nintendo’s policy and copyright drama. I experience this firsthand with my YouTube stuff, but I don’t think it’s okay to pirate any games at all. Instead, just don’t buy them or report them.
TheFlyingManRawkHawk
This leap in logic is dumb. Because they do something morally questionable, that justifies you in doing a completely unrelated morally questionable act? This is the thought process of a child.
Look, if you want to pirate games, can’t stop you, but taking this twisting route in logic to make it seem like you’re morally justified in doing so is idiotic.
Edit: To further clarify, it’s immature and immoral because (1) “an eye for an eye”/”[two wrongs make a right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right)” isn’t a valid justification for doing something wrong, and (2) it’s not a valid analogy because he says that, since Nintendo is allegedly stealing from him, then it’s okay for him to encourage his viewers (who aren’t being stolen from) to steal from Nintendo, which doesn’t make sense, so the analogy falls apart. So regardless of whether its meant as a joke/jab/satire, or an actual argument, the only thing it does is hurt his argument by making him appear like he’s childish and clickbait-y (gotta have a sensational title). If he played it straight without the immature “analogy” and clickbait-y title, then I wouldn’t have a problem with him. But he didn’t, so instead of coming off as someone looking for a more fair youtube system and a change in Nintendo’s policies, he comes off more as petty, clickbaiting manchild.
throwawayFedeForce
As far as I understand it, fair use doesn’t exist in Japan, which even if NOA is applying the copyright, the copyright comes from Japan so the copyright applies under. It is also USA only, it will only apply for US content creators tackling content originating from the USA.
Other countries have fair doctrine, which is similar but not as broad. Even then Fair Use is a defense for use in court, not a super law that applies all the time. As I understand Fair use is something you have to prove in court. Sure a bunch of Youtubers could go take Nintendo to court, but I don’t think sure Fair Use could even apply if they are discussing Japanese IPs and copyright.
Osomatsu-san had an episode taken down even here in Crunchyroll because there are no laws protecting parodies and they parodied a lot anime, you have to ask the copyright holders for permission to make a parody.
So no they aren’t hypocrites about copyright law, they are following the outdated copyright from a foreign country. As for the fan games, didn’t they reuse assets from the original games? I’m sure there were Pokemon from other gens in Uranium.
ukulelej
I love that he puts game footage from other publishers in videos whenever he uses Nintendo footage, so Nintendo can’t claim the video and has to fight with other companies for it.
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mb862
Argues that Nintendo goes after fair use video footage.
Constantly uses footage that doesn’t qualify as fair use.
Sorry Jim, I think you’ve lost the high ground on this one.
Warriorccc0
> “When multiple companies claim a single video, the revenue can’t go anywhere, so even if you can’t monetize they can’t do it either. Well, fun twist, I recently learned you can deadlock Nintendo against a Nintendo. Just use footage claimed by Nintendo of America and then use other footage claimed by Nintendo of Japan – they’ll cancel each other out.”
So Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Japan are like matter and anti-matter, I suppose that means Nintendo of Europe is dark matter – it is completely invisible and hasn’t been directly observed, but we are still pretty sure it exists.
Doc_LaVoy
His excuse for morally justifying theft (yes, piracy is theft, don’t delude yourselves) is incredibly misguided. Piracy en masse would bankrupt the company, and that’s absolutely a “punishment” that far outweighs any perceived “crime” on Nintendo’s part.
Now do I agree with Nintendo’s actions of claiming copyright on videos? Of course not. It’s 2017 and the company as a whole needs to get with the times. They’re refusing to embrace the new media and as such it’s going to hurt them in the long run.
However, we as consumers have no right to go out and play mental gymnastics to justify piracy simply because we don’t agree with how Nintendo runs their business. Sorry Jim, I’ll continue to happily purchase the games I love because I want Nintendo to succeed and thrive. I’m not a vindictive infant like you.
The argument he’s making isn’t a legal one, it’s a moral one. If Nintendo believe that their intellectual property rights hold so much sway that they can infringe on the public’s right to fair use and the utilization of ROM’s by people who already own the game. It shouldn’t come as any surprise when consumers turn around and tell Nintendo to take a running jump off a cliff as they download whatever they want.
The law works both ways, and when people ignore it because they’re a multi billion dollar corporation, at the expense of the public, the public has to find a way to strike back. I’ve noticed a few people claiming boycotting them on youtube is the way forward. If Nintendo actually cared about third party reviews and associated content they’d be working with youtubers in the first place rather than attacking their funding over pointless technicalities, and no the blind robbery that is the Nintendo creators program doesn’t count.
henryuuk
aaah, Jim poking the hornets nest for the sake of it again
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It is true that Nintendo ignores copyright law when it’s not convenient for them and pushes it as hard as possible when it is, but that still doesn’t justify you for, say, strait up stealing from them. If you legally own a game or it’s old and discontinued, with no way to obtain it legally from Nintendo, then I’d say it morally ok to emulate it, but if Nintendo still sells a game and you don’t own it already, pirating it is a small theft. I mean, if I were Nintendo I would actually encourage emulation of old games, because it’s good marketing when people get to try old entries in your franchises for free. In fact, I believe Nintendo actually did sponsor coolrom.com once, back when there were Nintendo games on that website. Anyway, it’s just my thoughts.
Summamabitch
Only pieces of shit want to steal art
tinyhipsterboy
Between this and his outright hostility at people who don’t like what he does (such as actively insulting those who bought a 3DS, amongst other things), I have to wonder why on earth Sterling is as respected as he is. He’s a hostile, unprofessional man.
Dyognes7257
If he cares so much about it why doesn’t he start a group of youtubers to get together and raise money to take the issue to court?
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while I get what he is trying to say… no, no its not okay to pirate games In general.
a way to strike back for these youtubers (jim,angryjoe etc) having “trouble” with youtube/nintendo is to stop reporting or talking about Nintendo games,news or anything related to them.
I’m sure youtube and reddit comments on this video will be fair and reasonable on both sides…
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I used to pirate Nintendo games because they wouldn’t make them available for us in Morocco. I’ve done from the GameCube and onward. I’ve decided I won’t do it for the Switch though since now I have the means to travel to Spain and France and buy the stuff there, but I won’t blame anyone in my country who does pirate them.
Ok watched the video for a few minutes. “Why its morally ok to pirate ALL THEIR GAMES!” Is straight up clickbait bullshit. Even takes him a while to get to a point…
Heres what i gathered so far: He is rightfully butthurt Nintendo is screwing Youtubers. Thats it, bottom line. Thank you for your input mr, sterling, almost got me to waste 17 minutes of my life on that premise. I agree with him though, nintendo needs to fix taht,
it is not
What I don’t get is why people seem to take Nintendo’s youtube policies so personally. I understand that their mindset regarding fair use is kinda shitty and archaic, but for most consumers, that’s not really a direct problem. How many people are actually trying to upload footage of Nintendo games *and* make money off of said videos with ad revenue? The policy is really shitty for popular youtubers, but they make up less than .001 percent of Nintendo’s primary audience.
This is more of a response to people in the comments of this video but, you can say that it’s annoying to not be able to watch a lot of nintendo related videos on youtube (which you can, because a lot of uploaders on youtube don’t care about ad revenue) and you can say that you’re sympathetic to youtubers who have to deal with this problem, but is this one policy really enough to say that you hate Nintendo and want them to fail?
Counter argument: If you have a problem with Nintendo’s policies, simply don’t play, acknowledge, or affiliate yourself with their games. It’s less hypocritical, and does a better job of quashing by not drawing attention to Nintendo.
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Why would anyone willingly watch Jim Sterling?
All right then. You can go ahead and pretend to be “self righteous” and pirate Nintendo’s stuff but you won’t be hurting those executives that helped institute the Youtube copyright rules. You’ll be hurting the little guys, the developers, sound designers, artists, all these guys. So yeah, good luck.
[Here’s something to chew on.](http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228386648)
I mean, I have personal issues with Nintendo’s policy and copyright drama. I experience this firsthand with my YouTube stuff, but I don’t think it’s okay to pirate any games at all. Instead, just don’t buy them or report them.
This leap in logic is dumb. Because they do something morally questionable, that justifies you in doing a completely unrelated morally questionable act? This is the thought process of a child.
Look, if you want to pirate games, can’t stop you, but taking this twisting route in logic to make it seem like you’re morally justified in doing so is idiotic.
Edit: To further clarify, it’s immature and immoral because (1) “an eye for an eye”/”[two wrongs make a right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_make_a_right)” isn’t a valid justification for doing something wrong, and (2) it’s not a valid analogy because he says that, since Nintendo is allegedly stealing from him, then it’s okay for him to encourage his viewers (who aren’t being stolen from) to steal from Nintendo, which doesn’t make sense, so the analogy falls apart. So regardless of whether its meant as a joke/jab/satire, or an actual argument, the only thing it does is hurt his argument by making him appear like he’s childish and clickbait-y (gotta have a sensational title). If he played it straight without the immature “analogy” and clickbait-y title, then I wouldn’t have a problem with him. But he didn’t, so instead of coming off as someone looking for a more fair youtube system and a change in Nintendo’s policies, he comes off more as petty, clickbaiting manchild.
As far as I understand it, fair use doesn’t exist in Japan, which even if NOA is applying the copyright, the copyright comes from Japan so the copyright applies under. It is also USA only, it will only apply for US content creators tackling content originating from the USA.
Other countries have fair doctrine, which is similar but not as broad. Even then Fair Use is a defense for use in court, not a super law that applies all the time. As I understand Fair use is something you have to prove in court. Sure a bunch of Youtubers could go take Nintendo to court, but I don’t think sure Fair Use could even apply if they are discussing Japanese IPs and copyright.
Osomatsu-san had an episode taken down even here in Crunchyroll because there are no laws protecting parodies and they parodied a lot anime, you have to ask the copyright holders for permission to make a parody.
So no they aren’t hypocrites about copyright law, they are following the outdated copyright from a foreign country. As for the fan games, didn’t they reuse assets from the original games? I’m sure there were Pokemon from other gens in Uranium.
I love that he puts game footage from other publishers in videos whenever he uses Nintendo footage, so Nintendo can’t claim the video and has to fight with other companies for it.
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Argues that Nintendo goes after fair use video footage.
Constantly uses footage that doesn’t qualify as fair use.
Sorry Jim, I think you’ve lost the high ground on this one.
> “When multiple companies claim a single video, the revenue can’t go anywhere, so even if you can’t monetize they can’t do it either. Well, fun twist, I recently learned you can deadlock Nintendo against a Nintendo. Just use footage claimed by Nintendo of America and then use other footage claimed by Nintendo of Japan – they’ll cancel each other out.”
So Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Japan are like matter and anti-matter, I suppose that means Nintendo of Europe is dark matter – it is completely invisible and hasn’t been directly observed, but we are still pretty sure it exists.
His excuse for morally justifying theft (yes, piracy is theft, don’t delude yourselves) is incredibly misguided. Piracy en masse would bankrupt the company, and that’s absolutely a “punishment” that far outweighs any perceived “crime” on Nintendo’s part.
Now do I agree with Nintendo’s actions of claiming copyright on videos? Of course not. It’s 2017 and the company as a whole needs to get with the times. They’re refusing to embrace the new media and as such it’s going to hurt them in the long run.
However, we as consumers have no right to go out and play mental gymnastics to justify piracy simply because we don’t agree with how Nintendo runs their business. Sorry Jim, I’ll continue to happily purchase the games I love because I want Nintendo to succeed and thrive. I’m not a vindictive infant like you.
Regardless of how you feel about Nintendo’s approach to IP protection, copyright laws, YouTube takedowns/monetization, etc., pirating their content is still against the law and cannot be justified. As cliché as it sounds and as multiple people have already stated, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I completely agree with Jim (a rarity for me).
The argument he’s making isn’t a legal one, it’s a moral one. If Nintendo believe that their intellectual property rights hold so much sway that they can infringe on the public’s right to fair use and the utilization of ROM’s by people who already own the game. It shouldn’t come as any surprise when consumers turn around and tell Nintendo to take a running jump off a cliff as they download whatever they want.
The law works both ways, and when people ignore it because they’re a multi billion dollar corporation, at the expense of the public, the public has to find a way to strike back. I’ve noticed a few people claiming boycotting them on youtube is the way forward. If Nintendo actually cared about third party reviews and associated content they’d be working with youtubers in the first place rather than attacking their funding over pointless technicalities, and no the blind robbery that is the Nintendo creators program doesn’t count.
aaah, Jim poking the hornets nest for the sake of it again
It is true that Nintendo ignores copyright law when it’s not convenient for them and pushes it as hard as possible when it is, but that still doesn’t justify you for, say, strait up stealing from them. If you legally own a game or it’s old and discontinued, with no way to obtain it legally from Nintendo, then I’d say it morally ok to emulate it, but if Nintendo still sells a game and you don’t own it already, pirating it is a small theft. I mean, if I were Nintendo I would actually encourage emulation of old games, because it’s good marketing when people get to try old entries in your franchises for free. In fact, I believe Nintendo actually did sponsor coolrom.com once, back when there were Nintendo games on that website. Anyway, it’s just my thoughts.
Only pieces of shit want to steal art
Between this and his outright hostility at people who don’t like what he does (such as actively insulting those who bought a 3DS, amongst other things), I have to wonder why on earth Sterling is as respected as he is. He’s a hostile, unprofessional man.
If he cares so much about it why doesn’t he start a group of youtubers to get together and raise money to take the issue to court?