Ryujinx, popular Nintendo Switch emulator, has ceased development
Ryujinx, popular Nintendo Switch emulator, has ceased development
by LinkWink
37 Comments
Simon_787
Man, that’s a bummer.
At least both emulators got quite good before development was stopped.
LinkWink
This was the message posted to the emulator’s Discord server.
>Yesterday, gdkchan was contacted by Nintendo and offered an agreement to stop working on the project, remove the organization and all related assets he’s in control of. While awaiting confirmation on whether he would take this agreement, the organization has been removed, so I think it’s safe to say what the outcome is. Rather than leave you with only panic and speculation, I decided to write this short message to give some closure.
>These words are my own. I don’t want to speak for anyone else here, so just remember that while reading.
>Thank you to @everyone who has contributed code, documentation or issue reports to the project. Thank you all for following us throughout the development. I was able to learn a lot of really neat things about games that I love, enjoy them with renewed qualities and in unique circumstances, and I’m sure you all have experiences that are similarly special. I’m extending my own massive thanks to our moderation team, who have been here through some rough circumstances and always found ways to make light of it.
MXC_Vic_Romano
Unfortunate but not surprising.
SmolAppleChild
Tbh I don’t know why people thought a switch emulator would be a good idea when the switch is still being produced and sold. Especially after the whole Yuzu fiasco.
At least wait until it’s no longer in production.
XGNcyclick
while this sucks, unfortunately this is the risk you run by emulating current hardware, understandably. That said, it’s hard to argue the existence of this hurt Nintendo at all when most people just want to put pepsi man into Ultimate
FoxLIcyMelenaGamer
Oh joy here come the Comments.
hypermog
>contacted by Nintendo and offered an agreement
an offer they couldn’t refuse
MissingLink000
Whew. Glad I got ryujinx all set up right after yuzu was killed. Haven’t really used it yet beyond getting it configured but at least it’s there if I ever need it.
BZGames
I mean idk feels like too little too late on Nintendos part. The Switch is basically done and dusted already, there’s not a game I’ve found that doesn’t work on ryujinx or zuzu.
Jayrulz101
So glad I never bothered with current gen emulation. Can’t have the availability debate when 90% of the games are on the shelf at Walmart. Hope they got a good deal.
UltiGamer34
This is why emulating current gen hardware especially from Nintendo is bad
lazycakes360
I said this on another thread but the thing that nobody is pointing out is that this basically confirms the theory that the next console will have backwards compatibility with the switch. I would theorize that they’re trying to protect that aspect, especially this close to a new console on the horizon.
Adamaneve
The usual types are going to be *insufferable* about this. Guess I should get off reddit and go play Zelda.
PKMNgamer99
I’m getting sick of this shit. Its not illegal to make emulators and in fact is a very smart move for game preservation especially if exclusives are going to keep existing but Nintendo will do anything to protect the tiny percentage of income this might take from them. Very disappointed.
KingoKings365
Emulation good.
Suing emulators bad.
bored-coder
Gonna get worse before it gets better if Switch 2 is indeed backwards compatible
AndrewDiss
Dang, I own every single game I have played on the emulators. Sad to see development get shut down. Hopefully, they’re in a good enough state to keep working. I enjoy playing my games at 4k, although it won’t matter to me if the Switch 2 does what my PC does.
tapstapito
Nintendo ninjas are everywhere. Even Brazil isn’t safe.
devenbat
Can’t wait for people to keep acting like piracy and emulation are completely unrelated.
It’s obvious why it was taken down. If everyone that emulated actually bought the games they backed up, I doubt Nintendo would bother with any of these take downs. But when people are cracking Echoes of Wisdow two weeks early and distributing copies, what did they expect to happen?
Keaten88
emulation fans when they can’t “preserve” the game coming out in two weeks
Nintendad47
You don’t need to win the case to bankrupt them with legal costs
tubbydoshua
this one stings because correct me if i’m wrong but they didn’t do anything wrong?
DanTheMan827
No doubt another group will fork and continue development.
Unless Nintendo sued them, I don’t see how they could keep DMCA’ing forks like they do with Yuzu
FrostCarpenter
It is important for the community to get this disctinction that Nintendo developers are not the problem, The executives, board, lawyers are the ones who stifle any archival and reservation work
KingBroly
My guess is Switch 2’s BC uses its’ power gap on the backend to make Switch games run/look better.
Hitokiri_Ace
Big sad vibes on this fine day. 🙁
As someone who always buys games to support, and enjoys playing them on my PC in stable 60fps (and upscaled if possible).. this is gonna hurt. :'(
rkNoltem
It’s amazing how many people believe “you can’t sue someone if they haven’t done anything illegal.”
Yes, you can.
Before even tackling other issues, the whole point of a lawsuit like this is so a judge can DECIDE whether it was illegal. As long as the plaintiff can convince them it’s a valid question, the lawsuit can proceed.
Additionally, in most legal systems victory depends more on who has more money and therefore better lawyers, and the ability to pay them for longer. A case never needs to reach a decision by a judge if it gets drawn out long enough to either bankrupt the other party or force a settlement.
In cases like this, Nintendo is most likely simply reminding the devs of the potential future above, and “offering” them mercy, in the form of an ultimatum: “Quit now and never come back, or we will destroy you in court, even if it takes years.” They were probably not offered money. They were definitely not offered jobs. They were almost certainly offered their lives, with no room to negotiate. This isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last.
Edit: Let me be clear, I don’t think this is a good thing. Nintendo is right on up there with Disney in terms of abusing IP law to their own benefit. But the first step to addressing a problem is acknowledging it. If we bury our heads in the sand and pretend Nintendo can’t reach us, we won’t be able to do a thing when they come knocking. We need to understand what they’re doing, why, and how, if we want to change it, and it comes down to the way IP law is written and enforced, and the way that financial might can tip the scales in any court case even without under the table deals. As long as these systems remain unchanged, IP giants like these will use the systems to support themselves.
WorldlyDear
the thing I hate about people who talk about emulation isn’t the fact they do it, it’s the self righteousness of it all.
razorbeamz
Surprised and impressed at how calmly people are handling this here. When Yuzu was shut down you would have thought Nintendo murdered everyone’s dogs.
Leonie_Guy
I hate this, I can’t play Nintendo games any other way!! In Brazil, a switch costs about 2.000 reals, because Nintendo doesn’t produce and sell officially on Brazil. And minimum brazilian wage? 1.421 reals! Not to count the fact that all the 60-70 dolllar games also cost 300 reals! I would fucking love to support and buy Nintendo games legally and officially, but is almost impossible for me to do. if they don’t want people like me doing this sort of thing illegaly, sell it officially to us and FREAKING PRICE IT REASONABLY.
Mothlord03
I understand emulating games that are really old, and not available for sale. But switch emulating isn’t something I really agree with, considering the console and games are still in production. I don’t believe it should be a shock that switch emulators aren’t lasting long
cylemmulo
I mean nintendo does a lot of crappy lawsuits but I can’t argue much on this one other than the fact that they release games that the switch can’t handle. The second they kill it off and people lose access to their purchases they lose sympathy
daikunut
I’m fine when emulation is used for old games that are not available anymore in any form of purchase that would benefit the developers. But newer games that you can still buy, that’s just criminal.
throwaway_zeke
Really sucks. Emulators should not get the bad rep they do.
Still_Schedule7
Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was leaked early and was illegally downloaded over 1 million times. Game development cost too much to allow this type of thing to continue happening.
Starfox6664
Prediction: Switch 2 is gonna be extremely similar to Switch 1 on an architectural level and Nintendo are trying to prevent another Dolphin where new Wii games were being emulated on an emulator that’s technically older than the Wii itself
37 Comments
Man, that’s a bummer.
At least both emulators got quite good before development was stopped.
This was the message posted to the emulator’s Discord server.
>Yesterday, gdkchan was contacted by Nintendo and offered an agreement to stop working on the project, remove the organization and all related assets he’s in control of. While awaiting confirmation on whether he would take this agreement, the organization has been removed, so I think it’s safe to say what the outcome is. Rather than leave you with only panic and speculation, I decided to write this short message to give some closure.
>These words are my own. I don’t want to speak for anyone else here, so just remember that while reading.
>Thank you to @everyone who has contributed code, documentation or issue reports to the project. Thank you all for following us throughout the development. I was able to learn a lot of really neat things about games that I love, enjoy them with renewed qualities and in unique circumstances, and I’m sure you all have experiences that are similarly special. I’m extending my own massive thanks to our moderation team, who have been here through some rough circumstances and always found ways to make light of it.
Unfortunate but not surprising.
Tbh I don’t know why people thought a switch emulator would be a good idea when the switch is still being produced and sold. Especially after the whole Yuzu fiasco.
At least wait until it’s no longer in production.
while this sucks, unfortunately this is the risk you run by emulating current hardware, understandably. That said, it’s hard to argue the existence of this hurt Nintendo at all when most people just want to put pepsi man into Ultimate
Oh joy here come the Comments.
>contacted by Nintendo and offered an agreement
an offer they couldn’t refuse
Whew. Glad I got ryujinx all set up right after yuzu was killed. Haven’t really used it yet beyond getting it configured but at least it’s there if I ever need it.
I mean idk feels like too little too late on Nintendos part. The Switch is basically done and dusted already, there’s not a game I’ve found that doesn’t work on ryujinx or zuzu.
So glad I never bothered with current gen emulation. Can’t have the availability debate when 90% of the games are on the shelf at Walmart. Hope they got a good deal.
This is why emulating current gen hardware especially from Nintendo is bad
I said this on another thread but the thing that nobody is pointing out is that this basically confirms the theory that the next console will have backwards compatibility with the switch. I would theorize that they’re trying to protect that aspect, especially this close to a new console on the horizon.
The usual types are going to be *insufferable* about this. Guess I should get off reddit and go play Zelda.
I’m getting sick of this shit. Its not illegal to make emulators and in fact is a very smart move for game preservation especially if exclusives are going to keep existing but Nintendo will do anything to protect the tiny percentage of income this might take from them. Very disappointed.
Emulation good.
Suing emulators bad.
Gonna get worse before it gets better if Switch 2 is indeed backwards compatible
Dang, I own every single game I have played on the emulators. Sad to see development get shut down. Hopefully, they’re in a good enough state to keep working. I enjoy playing my games at 4k, although it won’t matter to me if the Switch 2 does what my PC does.
Nintendo ninjas are everywhere. Even Brazil isn’t safe.
Can’t wait for people to keep acting like piracy and emulation are completely unrelated.
It’s obvious why it was taken down. If everyone that emulated actually bought the games they backed up, I doubt Nintendo would bother with any of these take downs. But when people are cracking Echoes of Wisdow two weeks early and distributing copies, what did they expect to happen?
emulation fans when they can’t “preserve” the game coming out in two weeks
You don’t need to win the case to bankrupt them with legal costs
this one stings because correct me if i’m wrong but they didn’t do anything wrong?
No doubt another group will fork and continue development.
Unless Nintendo sued them, I don’t see how they could keep DMCA’ing forks like they do with Yuzu
It is important for the community to get this disctinction that Nintendo developers are not the problem, The executives, board, lawyers are the ones who stifle any archival and reservation work
My guess is Switch 2’s BC uses its’ power gap on the backend to make Switch games run/look better.
Big sad vibes on this fine day. 🙁
As someone who always buys games to support, and enjoys playing them on my PC in stable 60fps (and upscaled if possible).. this is gonna hurt. :'(
It’s amazing how many people believe “you can’t sue someone if they haven’t done anything illegal.”
Yes, you can.
Before even tackling other issues, the whole point of a lawsuit like this is so a judge can DECIDE whether it was illegal. As long as the plaintiff can convince them it’s a valid question, the lawsuit can proceed.
Additionally, in most legal systems victory depends more on who has more money and therefore better lawyers, and the ability to pay them for longer. A case never needs to reach a decision by a judge if it gets drawn out long enough to either bankrupt the other party or force a settlement.
In cases like this, Nintendo is most likely simply reminding the devs of the potential future above, and “offering” them mercy, in the form of an ultimatum: “Quit now and never come back, or we will destroy you in court, even if it takes years.” They were probably not offered money. They were definitely not offered jobs. They were almost certainly offered their lives, with no room to negotiate. This isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last.
Edit: Let me be clear, I don’t think this is a good thing. Nintendo is right on up there with Disney in terms of abusing IP law to their own benefit. But the first step to addressing a problem is acknowledging it. If we bury our heads in the sand and pretend Nintendo can’t reach us, we won’t be able to do a thing when they come knocking. We need to understand what they’re doing, why, and how, if we want to change it, and it comes down to the way IP law is written and enforced, and the way that financial might can tip the scales in any court case even without under the table deals. As long as these systems remain unchanged, IP giants like these will use the systems to support themselves.
the thing I hate about people who talk about emulation isn’t the fact they do it, it’s the self righteousness of it all.
Surprised and impressed at how calmly people are handling this here. When Yuzu was shut down you would have thought Nintendo murdered everyone’s dogs.
I hate this, I can’t play Nintendo games any other way!! In Brazil, a switch costs about 2.000 reals, because Nintendo doesn’t produce and sell officially on Brazil. And minimum brazilian wage? 1.421 reals! Not to count the fact that all the 60-70 dolllar games also cost 300 reals! I would fucking love to support and buy Nintendo games legally and officially, but is almost impossible for me to do. if they don’t want people like me doing this sort of thing illegaly, sell it officially to us and FREAKING PRICE IT REASONABLY.
I understand emulating games that are really old, and not available for sale. But switch emulating isn’t something I really agree with, considering the console and games are still in production. I don’t believe it should be a shock that switch emulators aren’t lasting long
I mean nintendo does a lot of crappy lawsuits but I can’t argue much on this one other than the fact that they release games that the switch can’t handle. The second they kill it off and people lose access to their purchases they lose sympathy
I’m fine when emulation is used for old games that are not available anymore in any form of purchase that would benefit the developers. But newer games that you can still buy, that’s just criminal.
Really sucks. Emulators should not get the bad rep they do.
Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was leaked early and was illegally downloaded over 1 million times. Game development cost too much to allow this type of thing to continue happening.
Prediction: Switch 2 is gonna be extremely similar to Switch 1 on an architectural level and Nintendo are trying to prevent another Dolphin where new Wii games were being emulated on an emulator that’s technically older than the Wii itself
why is everyone so calm😭🙏