Difference between Convergent Evolution and Regional Form Pokemon
Difference between Convergent Evolution and Regional Form Pokemon
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eepos96
Cool guide
Dopeo
The problem I have with this is convergent evolutions look identical. Like it’s not two different animals with similar arms I.e. mole and molecricket, it’s just a brown tentacool 🤣
MrTritonis
Toadscool and Tentacool are actually a misunderstanding of convergent evolution :
Convergence is finding in two séparated instances the same solution to the same problem, which does work for wiglet (living in a tunnel with one home to acces outside) where these two are two different solutions to two different problem (evolving legs to run on the ground and evolving tentacles to swim underwater.
They just happen to look the same.
Samipie27
> similar environmental.
> respective environment.
This is confusing argumentation? The mole/cricket and the hummingbird/moth adapted to similar environments. Toadskool/Tentacool and Diglett/Wiglett live in completely different environments.
Kryorus_saga
I think it makes more sense for Alolan Vulpix becoming ice type and white to camouflage… wouldn’t vulpix be better in alolan to combat the cold since its fire type
JazzyGrief
Convergent evolution has to be one of the better ideas of the latest generations. I love the idea (and its biological basis) and it’s a great twist on well known pokemon.
Makes new generations feel a lot more cohesive with the franchise while keeping it fresh IMO.
What baffles me is that, introducing regional form was really fun, but is existence of convergent evolution itself fun? they say convergent evolution is different from regional form. Ok i know what it is but for what? Does classifying wiglet and diglet as convergent evolution make it more fun than saying they are regional form? Or is it supposed to be world building like “hey convergent evolution exists like in real world!”
Hetakuoni
Fun facts: some crabs are completely [different unrelated species](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation) that decided that an 8-legged hard-shelled form is the optimal design.
Thus I feel we need more crab pokemon. We have the crabby crab line and the coconut crab line. I feel We should get a spider crab line.
WindhoverInkwell
Except that’s not entirely true with regards to the lore, bc the Galarian legendary birds are stated in the Pokédex to be what amounts to convergent evolution (they are different species presumably subject to similar selection pressures who have developed similar traits to the Kanto birds as a consequence) and yet they still follow “regional forms” nomenclature and treatment
Fraktlll
The problem: We need a way to reintroduce older mons with new designs, modernizing them in the process.
GEN7’s solution: Regional Forms
GEN9’s solution: Convergent Evolution
Two unrelated concepts independently evolved similar features in response to similar environmental pressures? Inception indeed!!
softer_junge
Fennecs and Arctic foxes aren’t the same species.
Crafty_Situation_523
the spacing between those lines is kinda weird
House_of_Sand
Wrong. Evolution is what happens when an animal wins enough fights and grows up, maybe adding an extra head
scootRhombus
Okay, but like can we get a Stickleback pokemon? Because I’d never heard of that and it sounds cool.
Gezpatchu
I’d read a whole book about this
Yze3
Yes it has justification in the real world.
It doesn’t mean it’s not a terrible idea to bring to pokemon. Especially since they’re just gonna give it to only two pokemon (And those two being from Kanto, obviously).
weird_doodle
I LOVE convergent pokemon, and I hope we get more of them
IcePhoenix18
I still want to know why Nidoran and Nidoran are considered different Pokemon.
Ishotfirst1
I am 100% sure i saw a version of this meme woth like a toedscool running in front of every other thing.
Chemical-Cat
What I hate about “Convergent” pokemon is people seem to misconstrue this with needing to have the same silhouette while having nothing else to do with each other thematically
It’s wild how there was only two original convergent lines and only one of them actually made sense.
Toedscool and Toedscruel really have no reason to resemble their jellyfish counterparts beyond the Japanese word for wood ear mushrooms being “jelly ear”
FlashGordon07
I wrote a paper on this in college using Pokémon as examples! My classmates were not happy.
Nathaniel820
Those are *all* adaptation, convergent evolution is still 2 different species adapting towards similar forms. The alternative of convergent evolution on the right side is *divergent* evolution, where one species splits into multiple after different conditions leads to enough changes.
not_nathan
Game Freak clumsily attempting to make up for the damage they did to our generation’s understanding of evolution when they misused the term to describe what should more properly be called “metamorphosis”.
Micotyro
Whoever came up with regional Pokemon should hopefully have got a raise. It’s such a great idea and breeds life into older pokemon
26 Comments
Cool guide
The problem I have with this is convergent evolutions look identical. Like it’s not two different animals with similar arms I.e. mole and molecricket, it’s just a brown tentacool 🤣
Toadscool and Tentacool are actually a misunderstanding of convergent evolution :
Convergence is finding in two séparated instances the same solution to the same problem, which does work for wiglet (living in a tunnel with one home to acces outside) where these two are two different solutions to two different problem (evolving legs to run on the ground and evolving tentacles to swim underwater.
They just happen to look the same.
> similar environmental.
> respective environment.
This is confusing argumentation? The mole/cricket and the hummingbird/moth adapted to similar environments. Toadskool/Tentacool and Diglett/Wiglett live in completely different environments.
I think it makes more sense for Alolan Vulpix becoming ice type and white to camouflage… wouldn’t vulpix be better in alolan to combat the cold since its fire type
Convergent evolution has to be one of the better ideas of the latest generations. I love the idea (and its biological basis) and it’s a great twist on well known pokemon.
Makes new generations feel a lot more cohesive with the franchise while keeping it fresh IMO.
The fox example doesn’t really make much sense as fenecs and arctic foxes are different species altogether. A better example imo would the [Arctic wolf ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_wolf)and the [Arabian wolf](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_wolf).
What baffles me is that, introducing regional form was really fun, but is existence of convergent evolution itself fun? they say convergent evolution is different from regional form. Ok i know what it is but for what? Does classifying wiglet and diglet as convergent evolution make it more fun than saying they are regional form? Or is it supposed to be world building like “hey convergent evolution exists like in real world!”
Fun facts: some crabs are completely [different unrelated species](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation) that decided that an 8-legged hard-shelled form is the optimal design.
Thus I feel we need more crab pokemon. We have the crabby crab line and the coconut crab line. I feel We should get a spider crab line.
Except that’s not entirely true with regards to the lore, bc the Galarian legendary birds are stated in the Pokédex to be what amounts to convergent evolution (they are different species presumably subject to similar selection pressures who have developed similar traits to the Kanto birds as a consequence) and yet they still follow “regional forms” nomenclature and treatment
The problem: We need a way to reintroduce older mons with new designs, modernizing them in the process.
GEN7’s solution: Regional Forms
GEN9’s solution: Convergent Evolution
Two unrelated concepts independently evolved similar features in response to similar environmental pressures? Inception indeed!!
Fennecs and Arctic foxes aren’t the same species.
the spacing between those lines is kinda weird
Wrong. Evolution is what happens when an animal wins enough fights and grows up, maybe adding an extra head
Okay, but like can we get a Stickleback pokemon? Because I’d never heard of that and it sounds cool.
I’d read a whole book about this
Yes it has justification in the real world.
It doesn’t mean it’s not a terrible idea to bring to pokemon. Especially since they’re just gonna give it to only two pokemon (And those two being from Kanto, obviously).
I LOVE convergent pokemon, and I hope we get more of them
I still want to know why Nidoran and Nidoran are considered different Pokemon.
I am 100% sure i saw a version of this meme woth like a toedscool running in front of every other thing.
What I hate about “Convergent” pokemon is people seem to misconstrue this with needing to have the same silhouette while having nothing else to do with each other thematically
https://preview.redd.it/6sstybn3hlrg1.jpeg?width=848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb99eb6035e68c5183e1568fe1aaa73aa3737c23
It’s wild how there was only two original convergent lines and only one of them actually made sense.
Toedscool and Toedscruel really have no reason to resemble their jellyfish counterparts beyond the Japanese word for wood ear mushrooms being “jelly ear”
I wrote a paper on this in college using Pokémon as examples! My classmates were not happy.
Those are *all* adaptation, convergent evolution is still 2 different species adapting towards similar forms. The alternative of convergent evolution on the right side is *divergent* evolution, where one species splits into multiple after different conditions leads to enough changes.
Game Freak clumsily attempting to make up for the damage they did to our generation’s understanding of evolution when they misused the term to describe what should more properly be called “metamorphosis”.
Whoever came up with regional Pokemon should hopefully have got a raise. It’s such a great idea and breeds life into older pokemon