Miyamoto says he was surprised Mario Galaxy Movie reviews were even harsher than the first
Miyamoto says he was surprised Mario Galaxy Movie reviews were even harsher than the first
by SleuthDoggyDawg
41 Comments
Nayko214
Well its what happens when you don’t improve it in any major way and double down on the pacing/character issues. Like, the movie is FINE but its hardly good either. Its kind of just….there.
K4BARA
If he’s this blissfully unaware then this 3rd movie is gonna be reeeallll rough
Hallowhero
I liked the 2nd more than the first. Kids agreed too, and both were fantastic. I must have just been in a great mood or something, it was fun.
JustAToaster36
They learned the wrong lessons from the success of the first and doubled down on what it did instead of really improving it. I also think the fast production time has something to do with as well.
Driz51
Well he’s always been really vocal about not caring about plot, or character development, much at all. If anything it seems to upset him.
CStrader2002
Maybe that’s what happens when you remove pretty much every meaningful aspect from the original game and replaced it with nothing but a glorified Easter egg hunt.
TLKv3
The best way I could explain the movie to my friend was “its what you get when you take 4 different scripts about 4 different main characters, nobody can decide which script to actually film so they all rip a quarter of each script out, staple them together and say that’s probably fine.”
Between the Peach and Toad at the Spaceport & Casino… Mario, Luigi and Yoshi wandering around several locations aimlessly… Bowser and Bowser Jr. trying to bond in outer space while empowering a weapon… and introducing Rosalina, a fan favorite character, and giving her less screentime for her origin story than you did >!Fox who could’ve been a 5 second cameo and accomplished most of the same stuff!<…
Yeah. It was a poorly edited movie with no cohesive direction and a pace that would make The Flash and Sonic blush.
It was *fine* but kids movies don’t have to automatically mean sloppy dialogue and poorly written. Kids movies can also be very good and enjoyed by all.
No_Personality6824
I did like the first way more but I think both are good
ludicrousursine
Not surprising. He’s a brilliant game designer, but he clearly doesn’t understand narratives.
He’s the one that mandated that Paper Mario Sticker Star needed a barebones back to basic story after the series had been seeing success with better narratives.
jcgonzmo
He is surprised? Then he should probably go more to the movies and watch movies like Hoppers, Spider Verse, K-Pop Demon Hunters, etc. He said it himself once, games cannot learn anything from movies. It also works vice versa. Just because a movie is fun, it does not mean it has to lack any sense of coherence.
N_nte
Maybe he doesn’t understand that movies unlike video games isn’t about perfecting the formula, it’s a passive medium that needs more if it’s going to be engaging at all
GraveDiggerSedan
Just saw it over the weekend. It’s a fun kids movie with low stakes, but I felt like it ended abruptly. Illuminations will churn these movies out since they print money, but I wish it had the emotional core of the Despicable Me movies.
Thin_Pangolin4480
Goddamn I do not wanna know what Miyamoto’s taste in movies are like if he’s surprised by this.
KickPuncher4326
The problems with the film are identical. Slow down the tempo a little bit. Don’t cram so much.
JuanMunoz99
No disrespect to Miyamoto-san, but why is he surprised that film critics actually care about storytelling when it comes to movies?
Classic_Megaman
The first feels like an actual movie with a heavy focus on referencing Nintendo stuff.
Galaxy feels like a Super Nintendo World theme park attraction that’s as long as a movie.
And I do love both.
bababanana20123
I feel like he inserted his game design ethos of “All fun, all the time” to a movie which sounds great in theory but in practice that just means there’s no downtime to sit and appreciate the action, the characters, or the story. When it’s 90 straight minutes of fun, it all begins to blur together because watching a movie is a passive thing compared to playing a video game. The Galaxy Movje looked like great fun to play, and the action was better than the first but as far as story and characters go it was a bit of a mess
CMHex
For me it’s an Illumination problem, a studio i do not love. Their characters are always loud.
B-Bog
“I was surprised that critics expect a movie to have a story”
a_phantom_limb
In the Direct he did shortly before the movie was released, Miyamoto talked about all the homages to Nintendo in the film – but not that it had a lot of heart or a great story. I found that quite telling regarding his priorities.
Here’s a completely serious, honest question: does Miyamoto actually *like* movies? Because I’m not entirely sure he understands what makes a film good.
I listened to some of lifelong Nintendo fan Brie Larsen’s comments about the movie and about getting to play Rosalina, and she said that the film was “so cute” and that she loves it “so much.” (And *of course* she’s going to love it, because she got to play the icon of one of her favorite video games.) One thing I definitely haven’t heard her say is that it’s actually a good movie.
Mechaheph
I’m surprised, I enjoyed the 2nd movie much more.
RaccoonProcedureCall
I liked the new movie, even though I agree with just about every criticism leveled at it, but Miyamoto’s comments about both movies have been kind of bizarre. His quote here about being an outsider seeking to “revitalize the film industry” feels rather arrogant.
MarvelManiac45213
Idk how he was surprised. It’s like he didn’t take much of the criticism from the first film and correct it but instead he doubled down…
– Critics: “The Super Mario bros. movie has barely any substance besides Easter eggs for longtime fans!”
– Miyamoto: “Well we’ll double the amount of Easter eggs for Galaxy Movie!”
– Critics: “The first Super Mario Bros. Movies plot is paper thin with little to no character development!”
– Miyamoto: “Well we’ll have even less of a plot for the Galaxy movie and no character will have any development besides MAYBE Bowser Jr.”
– Critics: “The pacing of the Super Mario Bros. Movie is ultra fast and there is no time to breathe!”
– Miyamoto: “Clearly the pacing wasn’t quick enough I’ll fix that by doubling it and I’ll use it as a selling point in the lead up to the sequel!”
– Critics: “The Super Mario Bros. Movie had too many characters to juggle in an hour and a half!”
– Miyamoto: “Well here’s Wart, Bowser Jr., Yoshi, Rosalina, and Fox McCloud!”
It seems like the only critique him and the team at Illumination took from the first movie was the licensed music being out of place. I guess since they reduced it they thought it would make the Galaxy movie 100x better..
Capable-Monk-4820
I understand that Miyamoto is not an experienced filmmaker, but he needs to figure out that “visuals first, story second” theory doesn’t translate well in movies. I like both movies, but if they want to be masterpieces. The story needs better pacing and some character growth. Galaxy’s issues was more that the script was rushed due to the 40th anniversary, and the Hollywood strikes interfering the process. I wish Miyamoto will understand that his theory doesn’t work in movies sometimes
KeyOcelot4679
Unlike games, movies need a solid plot
(Movie was good though but, definitely needed ironing out)
Jazzlike-Vegetable22
If you make a sequel to an already flawed movie and don’t do much to improve upon those flaws, you’re going to get worse reviews.
rtekaaho
The only thing I took away from this movie is that Fox was the highlight and a Starfox movie would be great. Other than that, the title of this movie should’ve been Princess Peach’s Galaxy.
TheFlexOffenderr
Miyamoto was the guy who infamously said that Mario needed no plot, and that the gameplay would exceed storyline when in players hands.
Which he’s sort of right about, but it only works in a game medium. When you go to films, they have to have a structure that vibes with audiences. Super Mario Galaxy movie wasn’t a bad movie, but it was severely disjointed and it made it feel like we were watching a movie that had an hour of scenes cut out of it.
Miyamoto probably believes movie and game mediums are similar so that’s why he’s surprised because he believe Mario doesn’t need a plot for people to enjoy the GAMES.
oldkidLG
Miyamoto is discovering that the movie industry is not a hobby that you can embrace when you’re retired from your real job.
longbrodmann
Because the plot is indeed not good even compared to the first one.
Hopeful_Ear_6253
Chris Pratt is what kills the movies for me.
BugleCalypso
You hitched your wagon to a shitty animation studio, Shiggy. The movie makes billions but they’re generic mediocre and by the numbers.
radikraze
I liked the movie bc I’m a huge Nintendo fan but come on, it was closer to a big Nintendo ad than a movie with a coherent story
italianprog
There’s a plot, but the “flaw” of the sequel is that it assumes you saw the first one. So I can understand that critique, and at the same time celebrate both movies for incredible fan service and stewardship of the franchise. Honestly don’t get the hate for Galaxy, it’s like the perfect popcorn movie for kids and adults alike.
MW_360
I actually genuinely enjoyed the first one, and I don’t think the low score was a fair score. I wouldve gave it a high 70s or maybe low 80s. The Mario Galaxy movie though just didn’t felt like a Mario Galaxy movie. It felt more like a smash bros movie that Rosalina just happens to be there. Rosalina was a big story point in the game, and she was barely in it. Then there wasn’t much planet or galaxies they showed. Just overall a meh movie.
Maatjuhhh
The writers have said that it was planned to do Super Mario World before deciding on Galaxy scope. So the remnants from the World script are still in the movie. That’s why it feels a bit rushed/disjointed.
Sea_Advertising8550
I mean, when you have critics saying shit like “this is worse than AI” and “this movie caused me physical pain, you can’t really blame him.
Hatdude1973
It was one step from AI slop. What did he expect. I feel like Illumination (or better yet Pixar) would make a better movie if they had total control and no creative input from Shiggy.
Raptor_Jetpack
illumination cant make good movies, dunno why he’s surprised
malexich
The movies are trash, they are paint by numbers illumination films, they don’t care about the little lore the series does have and instead just focus on doing the illumination play book with just a bunch of references and easter eggs, and expect people to eat it up. I don’t know how hard it would have been to just do a actual mario movie but it must be impossible if they can’t do it once
xapxironchef
The movie was really good – we need to stop letting reviewers have so much power.
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Well its what happens when you don’t improve it in any major way and double down on the pacing/character issues. Like, the movie is FINE but its hardly good either. Its kind of just….there.
If he’s this blissfully unaware then this 3rd movie is gonna be reeeallll rough
I liked the 2nd more than the first. Kids agreed too, and both were fantastic. I must have just been in a great mood or something, it was fun.
They learned the wrong lessons from the success of the first and doubled down on what it did instead of really improving it. I also think the fast production time has something to do with as well.
Well he’s always been really vocal about not caring about plot, or character development, much at all. If anything it seems to upset him.
Maybe that’s what happens when you remove pretty much every meaningful aspect from the original game and replaced it with nothing but a glorified Easter egg hunt.
The best way I could explain the movie to my friend was “its what you get when you take 4 different scripts about 4 different main characters, nobody can decide which script to actually film so they all rip a quarter of each script out, staple them together and say that’s probably fine.”
Between the Peach and Toad at the Spaceport & Casino… Mario, Luigi and Yoshi wandering around several locations aimlessly… Bowser and Bowser Jr. trying to bond in outer space while empowering a weapon… and introducing Rosalina, a fan favorite character, and giving her less screentime for her origin story than you did >!Fox who could’ve been a 5 second cameo and accomplished most of the same stuff!<…
Yeah. It was a poorly edited movie with no cohesive direction and a pace that would make The Flash and Sonic blush.
It was *fine* but kids movies don’t have to automatically mean sloppy dialogue and poorly written. Kids movies can also be very good and enjoyed by all.
I did like the first way more but I think both are good
Not surprising. He’s a brilliant game designer, but he clearly doesn’t understand narratives.
He’s the one that mandated that Paper Mario Sticker Star needed a barebones back to basic story after the series had been seeing success with better narratives.
He is surprised? Then he should probably go more to the movies and watch movies like Hoppers, Spider Verse, K-Pop Demon Hunters, etc. He said it himself once, games cannot learn anything from movies. It also works vice versa. Just because a movie is fun, it does not mean it has to lack any sense of coherence.
Maybe he doesn’t understand that movies unlike video games isn’t about perfecting the formula, it’s a passive medium that needs more if it’s going to be engaging at all
Just saw it over the weekend. It’s a fun kids movie with low stakes, but I felt like it ended abruptly. Illuminations will churn these movies out since they print money, but I wish it had the emotional core of the Despicable Me movies.
Goddamn I do not wanna know what Miyamoto’s taste in movies are like if he’s surprised by this.
The problems with the film are identical. Slow down the tempo a little bit. Don’t cram so much.
No disrespect to Miyamoto-san, but why is he surprised that film critics actually care about storytelling when it comes to movies?
The first feels like an actual movie with a heavy focus on referencing Nintendo stuff.
Galaxy feels like a Super Nintendo World theme park attraction that’s as long as a movie.
And I do love both.
I feel like he inserted his game design ethos of “All fun, all the time” to a movie which sounds great in theory but in practice that just means there’s no downtime to sit and appreciate the action, the characters, or the story. When it’s 90 straight minutes of fun, it all begins to blur together because watching a movie is a passive thing compared to playing a video game. The Galaxy Movje looked like great fun to play, and the action was better than the first but as far as story and characters go it was a bit of a mess
For me it’s an Illumination problem, a studio i do not love. Their characters are always loud.
“I was surprised that critics expect a movie to have a story”
In the Direct he did shortly before the movie was released, Miyamoto talked about all the homages to Nintendo in the film – but not that it had a lot of heart or a great story. I found that quite telling regarding his priorities.
Here’s a completely serious, honest question: does Miyamoto actually *like* movies? Because I’m not entirely sure he understands what makes a film good.
I listened to some of lifelong Nintendo fan Brie Larsen’s comments about the movie and about getting to play Rosalina, and she said that the film was “so cute” and that she loves it “so much.” (And *of course* she’s going to love it, because she got to play the icon of one of her favorite video games.) One thing I definitely haven’t heard her say is that it’s actually a good movie.
I’m surprised, I enjoyed the 2nd movie much more.
I liked the new movie, even though I agree with just about every criticism leveled at it, but Miyamoto’s comments about both movies have been kind of bizarre. His quote here about being an outsider seeking to “revitalize the film industry” feels rather arrogant.
Idk how he was surprised. It’s like he didn’t take much of the criticism from the first film and correct it but instead he doubled down…
– Critics: “The Super Mario bros. movie has barely any substance besides Easter eggs for longtime fans!”
– Miyamoto: “Well we’ll double the amount of Easter eggs for Galaxy Movie!”
– Critics: “The first Super Mario Bros. Movies plot is paper thin with little to no character development!”
– Miyamoto: “Well we’ll have even less of a plot for the Galaxy movie and no character will have any development besides MAYBE Bowser Jr.”
– Critics: “The pacing of the Super Mario Bros. Movie is ultra fast and there is no time to breathe!”
– Miyamoto: “Clearly the pacing wasn’t quick enough I’ll fix that by doubling it and I’ll use it as a selling point in the lead up to the sequel!”
– Critics: “The Super Mario Bros. Movie had too many characters to juggle in an hour and a half!”
– Miyamoto: “Well here’s Wart, Bowser Jr., Yoshi, Rosalina, and Fox McCloud!”
It seems like the only critique him and the team at Illumination took from the first movie was the licensed music being out of place. I guess since they reduced it they thought it would make the Galaxy movie 100x better..
I understand that Miyamoto is not an experienced filmmaker, but he needs to figure out that “visuals first, story second” theory doesn’t translate well in movies. I like both movies, but if they want to be masterpieces. The story needs better pacing and some character growth. Galaxy’s issues was more that the script was rushed due to the 40th anniversary, and the Hollywood strikes interfering the process. I wish Miyamoto will understand that his theory doesn’t work in movies sometimes
Unlike games, movies need a solid plot
(Movie was good though but, definitely needed ironing out)
If you make a sequel to an already flawed movie and don’t do much to improve upon those flaws, you’re going to get worse reviews.
The only thing I took away from this movie is that Fox was the highlight and a Starfox movie would be great. Other than that, the title of this movie should’ve been Princess Peach’s Galaxy.
Miyamoto was the guy who infamously said that Mario needed no plot, and that the gameplay would exceed storyline when in players hands.
Which he’s sort of right about, but it only works in a game medium. When you go to films, they have to have a structure that vibes with audiences. Super Mario Galaxy movie wasn’t a bad movie, but it was severely disjointed and it made it feel like we were watching a movie that had an hour of scenes cut out of it.
Miyamoto probably believes movie and game mediums are similar so that’s why he’s surprised because he believe Mario doesn’t need a plot for people to enjoy the GAMES.
Miyamoto is discovering that the movie industry is not a hobby that you can embrace when you’re retired from your real job.
Because the plot is indeed not good even compared to the first one.
Chris Pratt is what kills the movies for me.
You hitched your wagon to a shitty animation studio, Shiggy. The movie makes billions but they’re generic mediocre and by the numbers.
I liked the movie bc I’m a huge Nintendo fan but come on, it was closer to a big Nintendo ad than a movie with a coherent story
There’s a plot, but the “flaw” of the sequel is that it assumes you saw the first one. So I can understand that critique, and at the same time celebrate both movies for incredible fan service and stewardship of the franchise. Honestly don’t get the hate for Galaxy, it’s like the perfect popcorn movie for kids and adults alike.
I actually genuinely enjoyed the first one, and I don’t think the low score was a fair score. I wouldve gave it a high 70s or maybe low 80s. The Mario Galaxy movie though just didn’t felt like a Mario Galaxy movie. It felt more like a smash bros movie that Rosalina just happens to be there. Rosalina was a big story point in the game, and she was barely in it. Then there wasn’t much planet or galaxies they showed. Just overall a meh movie.
The writers have said that it was planned to do Super Mario World before deciding on Galaxy scope. So the remnants from the World script are still in the movie. That’s why it feels a bit rushed/disjointed.
I mean, when you have critics saying shit like “this is worse than AI” and “this movie caused me physical pain, you can’t really blame him.
It was one step from AI slop. What did he expect. I feel like Illumination (or better yet Pixar) would make a better movie if they had total control and no creative input from Shiggy.
illumination cant make good movies, dunno why he’s surprised
The movies are trash, they are paint by numbers illumination films, they don’t care about the little lore the series does have and instead just focus on doing the illumination play book with just a bunch of references and easter eggs, and expect people to eat it up. I don’t know how hard it would have been to just do a actual mario movie but it must be impossible if they can’t do it once
The movie was really good – we need to stop letting reviewers have so much power.