Arceus is an effectively omnipotent creation god which by its own admission exists outside the confines of time and space. The 720 BST deer-stuck-in-fences we know and love aren’t even the real Arceus, just tiny fractions of its power that it creates to see and experience the various worlds of the pokemon multiverse through mortal eyes.
The only real counterargument is that while the deer-stuck-in-fences may be pokemon, the real Arceus may not really qualify as one. And while incredibly few, there are pokemon more powerful than those small slivers of the real Arceus’s power. If we’re going to ignore Arceus, then the answer is probably the interdimensional star-destroying cosmic parasite, Ultra Necrozma.
The correct response is u/pengie9290’s, but the photo of Ultra Necrozma reminded me of its signature Z-Move “The Light That Burns The Sky”, and while we’ve had Eternabeam and a number of powerful moves since, how metal was the fucking animation?
Mystdrago
Arceus or Necrozma
CellistShot8470
F.E.A.R lvl 1 Rattata.
PK_RocknRoll
Ditto with a choice scarf
BillyBobHoen
Arceus, since I’m going to assume it’s still the creator of the pokemon multiverse. Unless we get a pokemon that contradicts Arceus’s status.
sonic10158
It has to be Metapod
BidoofthaGod
You already know it’s
Aegillade
Are we talking purely destructive feats? Barring Arceus, Dialga and Palkia are both individually capable of creating universes. We know they can do it on their own because in the Rainbow Rocket episode, Cyrus has succeeded in his plan and only has 1 of the two. So I imagine that puts those two at the top.
Eteranmax Eternatus probably is up there too. “Infinite” energy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s infinite in power, as in I don’t think it can just unleash a blast with infinite joules of force behind it. But I interperate it as a DBZ Android situation where it never really tires and can also unleash more fire power. Still, it probably deserves a mention.
True Form Arceus is probably the real number 1. Capable of creating Arceus clones that, by themselves, could creating Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina on its own, it seems to transcend time and space and exist beyond timelines. We know next to nothing about it, but from what we’ve seen I think we can safely infer it’s the strongest. Fitting, I guess.
Groudon and Kyogre, in their regular forms, were both capable of creating storms that threatened all life on Earth. And Rayquaza was able to shut both of them up at the same time.
Balarius
Mew.
Anything you can do i can do…just as well.
(lore wise Mew is so much stronger than other transformers)
Wapple21
Tera electric shedinja with an air balloon (status effects and weathers are for nerds)
PamIsThicc
Lvl 1 purple rat with a red ribbon
Last-Performance3482
I think it would be : – Arceus – Dialga, Palkia and Giratina (maybe a slight advantage for Giratina, depending of the media it’s between as strong as the other and stronger than both others united) – Ultra-Necrozma and Zygarde 100%, for the second it depends if it only rules earth balance or world balance. – Weather trio, Regigigas, Xerneas, Yveltal, Terapagos (Terastalised) and Eternatus (Eternamax) – Most legendaries and mythicals – Legendary birds, Beasts, Golems, Lati@s, Tapus, Ruins, swords of justice, Genesect, Ogerpon and Peacharunt. – Mega Evolved Pokemon and Loyal Three – Strongest classic pokemon – Classic pokemon and Phione – Weakest classic pokemon
RonyPony_
Victini literally has the power of victory, just saying.
dripcoffee420
Mewtwo because I’m old, and I don’t care what you say because I’m old! Mmmmmhhhhheee!
FarCritical
Zekrom with Zekrom Kick
Conky2Thousand
Weird little side observation: even though Mewtwo has kind of fallen from his position of supremacy amongst all the legendaries over time (he’s still rather high up, mind you,) especially after the Mega forms went dormant, the addition of more legendaries and how strong they should be in the lore makes Mewtwo seem strangely overpowered, in game use. That is, compared to how strong he probably should be if we compare him to a lot of other godly legendaries he can go toe to toe with and even beat in the games. To be fair… the highest tier legendaries are probably weaker than they should be, compared to stronger non-legendaries in gameplay.
cobanat
Victini because he always wins
mrplow8
MissingNo.
Tyrelius_Dragmire
I assume we’re ignoring Arceus’s implied True form (the Aceuses we catch in PLA is calld “a shard of the creator”)
Giratina is a strong contender, being the antimatter Legendary pokemon.
Hoopa unbound is indeed up there in the upper echelon of power, able to summon and control basically every box art legendary, including the Primal forms of Groudon/Kyogre and even Dialga and Palkia. And it’s apparently strong enough that Arceus’s power had to be invoked to seal away its power.
And then we have… the *other* ones. The ones who come from somewhere else; Eternatus, Necrozma, and Kyurem. For these three (moreso Eternatus at this point) we don’t have enough info on them to accurately gauge their peak power in Lore.
For Kyurem, its peak power is the Original Dragon, and to this day we know basically nothing about it other than it was a Dragon Type and that it arrived on a meteor.
For Eternatus, Eternamax is strong enough that space around it seems to distort, during the fight we can see glimpses of places all over Galar flashing into view in the storm around the tower. It also has the power to make pokemon unable to use moves (at least until the Legendary dogs show up).
And Necrozma’s peak power lies in its unknown potential. Necrozma can absorb light, it’s kinda his whole thing, but we don’t really know the limit of that absorption… or if there even is one. In the past, Necrozma devoured all the light of a Star (assumedly similar to that of our sun, seeing as Ultra Megalopolis have their own Solgaleo/Lunala), and was still able to fuse with/eat(?) The other Legendary in Ultra Megalopolis (Solgaleo/Lunala). Necrozma gets stronger the more light it absorbs, but we don’t know if there’s even a limit to that. For all we know, Necrozma could be able to consume the light of an entire Galaxy, or perhaps even more, we just don’t know.
Another one I want to bring up is the adorable Beanie Baby; Terapagos. This little guy allowed Sada/Turo to build their time machines to reach into other timelines. This little guy confirmed the existence of the Pokemon Multiverse, In my eyes this puts him in the same power tier as Dialga, being able to manipulate time to its will (something only Dialga has been shown to do before, compared to Celebi who just travels through time but can’t manipulate it).
StanleytrinidadXVI
Love how no one is mentioning hoopa… like he’s in the image, he’s not as strong as arceus, dialga, and palkia, but he’s definitely up there and a nuisance.
fisktu
Jirachi, Victini or Arceus probably
Sponge56
Look up terminal montage on YouTube for the answer lol they did a bunch of battle royale type videos that are badass
WildJafe
I only recognize mewtwo ….
Buratotauiee
Shouldn’t mew be strongest cause all pokemon evolve from mew, meaning arceus was once a mew as well if that Pokemon doesn’t exist then no pokemon exist?
Fly_guyyy
Youngster Joey’s Rattata
LucasTheOG
Bidoof.
edwpad
Without a doubt Arceus, but not counting it, I would definitely say Ultra Necrozma considering it devours light across worlds
MisterFusionCore
I love Mewtwo but as far as strength goes, it is the strongest kid in your school when we got Pokemon over here that are lifting cars.
blinglorp
Cloyster
Bendodge13
It’s Arceus, by a large amount, in the #1 spot. He is Pokémon’s god and has taken on the other Creation Quartet members all by himself and whipped them easily. Ash and friends only calmed him down thanks to Dialga sending them back in time.
After Arceus is the other three Creation Quartet members, I’d say specifically in their Origin Forms. They still are god-like Pokemon which is way more than any Pokemon unlike these three (and Arceus can say).
After them is probably Ultra Necrozma, Perfect Zygarde, Hoopa-Unbound, (potentially Kyurem’s true form?), Eternamax Eternatus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre, Mega Rayquaza, Jirachi, and maybe Darkrai? All of them aside from Hoopa play a part in the region’s / world’s environment / balance and are a vital force. In terms of Hoopa-U idk why it can summon other legendaries but it can, and whether they’re real legendaries or just illusions, that power puts in top tier (although I don’t think it could control any of the Pokemon stronger than it). And Jirachi can grant wishes so there’s that. Darkrai has gone toe to toe with Dialga and Palkia and his nightmare abilities are no joke so he might deserve an honorable mention too.
After that is Pokemon that are ridiculously strong but maybe not as strong as the ones above it, like Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem and it’s forms, Mewtwo, Regigigas, Zacian, Zamazenta, Lugia, and Ho-Oh. They all have ridiculous feats but not world-level feats like any above it.
After that it’s not as clear to me with Pokemon like the swords of justice, johto legendary cats, the legendary birds, Soul duo, etc. They’re powerful but nowhere near anyone above them.
And I’m not sure where to rank Pokemon like Victini, Celebi, and Mew, as their abilities are all very impressive, but for example, in the case of Mew, while it’s DNA is linked to every Pokemon (with the likely exception of the Creation Quartet and maybe Pokemon from outer space) that doesn’t necessarily make it the strongest if every Pokemon has just a piece of it. Victini also guarantees victory to a trainer it chooses, but that might only extend to trainer battles, and it might not even apply to itself. Celebi can travel through time, but again, that’s more of an ability rather than a power.
MotorIzedme
It’s movie accurate Picachu
Red09YT
Duh Wooper
trooviee
I have gen 1 bias so I’m still going with Mewtwo, specifically the one in the first movie. It may not have much raw power but its human ambition puts it above literal gods like Arceus. It’s the only pokemon to use and develop new technology. It’s the only pokemon to use other pokemon in battle like a trainer would. Theoretically Mewtwo can defeat the elite 4, be champion and then challenge and catch Arceus, MegaRay and all the OP mons.
Enderstrike10199
It’s either Arceus or Ultra-Necrozma (though there’s another big ? pokemon I’ll mention at the end).
Arceus is fairly obvious, if your able to create the universe your able to do whatever you want, your power is near unwavering and everything should bend to your will. (I’m 90% confident even the Arceus we get in the games is only a fraction of the “True” Arceus. Only Arceus in name alone.) He’s easily leagues above 99% of pokemon, he alone knocks many strong contenders out, namely Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Victini (because despite Victini’s “always able to win” antics, I’m 100% confident Arceus can and will overwrite that shit), and well obviously the creation trio, so Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina. Also by being stronger than Dialga, the god of time, that immediately makes him stronger than any time-traveling shenanigans, so Celebi is beaten as well.
Okay so why Ultra-Necrozma? Simple, he seems to have no limit on power. His power is simply “the more light he absorbs, the stronger he becomes.” (This is also why he gets significantly stronger after absorbing specifically Solgaleo and Lunala, they’re beings of light, representing the Sun and the moon which both give off light.) He’s not even bound to the laws of Arceus’s universe, he’s from a different universe entirely, so this isn’t even a “can god create something even he cannot beat” kinda thing, it’s just can this random thing from another dimension beat god? There’s really nothing stopping him from absorbing all the light available in our universe and then just waltzing up to Arceus and wrecking house (potentially). I can’t imagine a star-fueled Ultra-Necrozma being an easy opponent, even for god. Stars are some of the most energy-filled things in the universe, to absorb a star is just ridiculous.
Okay so for the big ? pokemon, he’s actually in this image. Hoopa. What a load of shit.
He’s just super confusing and has a lot of random crap that shows up, such as (in the Manga) being able to just escape space-time distortion through his portals with no issue, only being forced back due to Ash. It’s also a big ? on whether Hoopa can or cannot just bring crap from other dimensions and universes whenever the heck he wants, in which case there’s essentially no limit to him. Also, in it’s only 4 pokedex entries, all in gen 6, the dex loves to mention how he can “warp space” and I don’t really know how strong that makes him, but bending the fabric of reality has to be some sort of consolation prize. Essentially, we don’t know that much about him, and he either has portals with no limit which would make him capable of being a menace to every reality at once, or he’s literally just essentially a strong giant which would make him comparable to even something like Tyranitar in strength, huge gap there.
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Surely Arceus, no?
Arceus, and it’s not even close.
Arceus is an effectively omnipotent creation god which by its own admission exists outside the confines of time and space. The 720 BST deer-stuck-in-fences we know and love aren’t even the real Arceus, just tiny fractions of its power that it creates to see and experience the various worlds of the pokemon multiverse through mortal eyes.
The only real counterargument is that while the deer-stuck-in-fences may be pokemon, the real Arceus may not really qualify as one. And while incredibly few, there are pokemon more powerful than those small slivers of the real Arceus’s power. If we’re going to ignore Arceus, then the answer is probably the interdimensional star-destroying cosmic parasite, Ultra Necrozma.
[(A while back, TerminalMontage and Lockstin&Gnoggin actually did a collab covering this exact question.)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVO8QrGAPHs)
Bidoof
Perfect Bidoof?
The correct response is u/pengie9290’s, but the photo of Ultra Necrozma reminded me of its signature Z-Move “The Light That Burns The Sky”, and while we’ve had Eternabeam and a number of powerful moves since, how metal was the fucking animation?
Arceus or Necrozma
F.E.A.R lvl 1 Rattata.
Ditto with a choice scarf
Arceus, since I’m going to assume it’s still the creator of the pokemon multiverse. Unless we get a pokemon that contradicts Arceus’s status.
It has to be Metapod
You already know it’s
Are we talking purely destructive feats? Barring Arceus, Dialga and Palkia are both individually capable of creating universes. We know they can do it on their own because in the Rainbow Rocket episode, Cyrus has succeeded in his plan and only has 1 of the two. So I imagine that puts those two at the top.
Eteranmax Eternatus probably is up there too. “Infinite” energy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s infinite in power, as in I don’t think it can just unleash a blast with infinite joules of force behind it. But I interperate it as a DBZ Android situation where it never really tires and can also unleash more fire power. Still, it probably deserves a mention.
True Form Arceus is probably the real number 1. Capable of creating Arceus clones that, by themselves, could creating Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina on its own, it seems to transcend time and space and exist beyond timelines. We know next to nothing about it, but from what we’ve seen I think we can safely infer it’s the strongest. Fitting, I guess.
Groudon and Kyogre, in their regular forms, were both capable of creating storms that threatened all life on Earth. And Rayquaza was able to shut both of them up at the same time.
Mew.
Anything you can do i can do…just as well.
(lore wise Mew is so much stronger than other transformers)
Tera electric shedinja with an air balloon (status effects and weathers are for nerds)
Lvl 1 purple rat with a red ribbon
I think it would be :
– Arceus
– Dialga, Palkia and Giratina (maybe a slight advantage for Giratina, depending of the media it’s between as strong as the other and stronger than both others united)
– Ultra-Necrozma and Zygarde 100%, for the second it depends if it only rules earth balance or world balance.
– Weather trio, Regigigas, Xerneas, Yveltal, Terapagos (Terastalised) and Eternatus (Eternamax)
– Most legendaries and mythicals
– Legendary birds, Beasts, Golems, Lati@s, Tapus, Ruins, swords of justice, Genesect, Ogerpon and Peacharunt.
– Mega Evolved Pokemon and Loyal Three
– Strongest classic pokemon
– Classic pokemon and Phione
– Weakest classic pokemon
Victini literally has the power of victory, just saying.
Mewtwo because I’m old, and I don’t care what you say because I’m old! Mmmmmhhhhheee!
Zekrom with Zekrom Kick
Weird little side observation: even though Mewtwo has kind of fallen from his position of supremacy amongst all the legendaries over time (he’s still rather high up, mind you,) especially after the Mega forms went dormant, the addition of more legendaries and how strong they should be in the lore makes Mewtwo seem strangely overpowered, in game use. That is, compared to how strong he probably should be if we compare him to a lot of other godly legendaries he can go toe to toe with and even beat in the games. To be fair… the highest tier legendaries are probably weaker than they should be, compared to stronger non-legendaries in gameplay.
Victini because he always wins
MissingNo.
I assume we’re ignoring Arceus’s implied True form (the Aceuses we catch in PLA is calld “a shard of the creator”)
Giratina is a strong contender, being the antimatter Legendary pokemon.
Hoopa unbound is indeed up there in the upper echelon of power, able to summon and control basically every box art legendary, including the Primal forms of Groudon/Kyogre and even Dialga and Palkia. And it’s apparently strong enough that Arceus’s power had to be invoked to seal away its power.
And then we have… the *other* ones. The ones who come from somewhere else; Eternatus, Necrozma, and Kyurem. For these three (moreso Eternatus at this point) we don’t have enough info on them to accurately gauge their peak power in Lore.
For Kyurem, its peak power is the Original Dragon, and to this day we know basically nothing about it other than it was a Dragon Type and that it arrived on a meteor.
For Eternatus, Eternamax is strong enough that space around it seems to distort, during the fight we can see glimpses of places all over Galar flashing into view in the storm around the tower. It also has the power to make pokemon unable to use moves (at least until the Legendary dogs show up).
And Necrozma’s peak power lies in its unknown potential. Necrozma can absorb light, it’s kinda his whole thing, but we don’t really know the limit of that absorption… or if there even is one. In the past, Necrozma devoured all the light of a Star (assumedly similar to that of our sun, seeing as Ultra Megalopolis have their own Solgaleo/Lunala), and was still able to fuse with/eat(?) The other Legendary in Ultra Megalopolis (Solgaleo/Lunala). Necrozma gets stronger the more light it absorbs, but we don’t know if there’s even a limit to that. For all we know, Necrozma could be able to consume the light of an entire Galaxy, or perhaps even more, we just don’t know.
Another one I want to bring up is the adorable Beanie Baby; Terapagos. This little guy allowed Sada/Turo to build their time machines to reach into other timelines. This little guy confirmed the existence of the Pokemon Multiverse, In my eyes this puts him in the same power tier as Dialga, being able to manipulate time to its will (something only Dialga has been shown to do before, compared to Celebi who just travels through time but can’t manipulate it).
Love how no one is mentioning hoopa… like he’s in the image, he’s not as strong as arceus, dialga, and palkia, but he’s definitely up there and a nuisance.
Jirachi, Victini or Arceus probably
Look up terminal montage on YouTube for the answer lol they did a bunch of battle royale type videos that are badass
I only recognize mewtwo ….
Shouldn’t mew be strongest cause all pokemon evolve from mew, meaning arceus was once a mew as well if that Pokemon doesn’t exist then no pokemon exist?
Youngster Joey’s Rattata
Bidoof.
Without a doubt Arceus, but not counting it, I would definitely say Ultra Necrozma considering it devours light across worlds
I love Mewtwo but as far as strength goes, it is the strongest kid in your school when we got Pokemon over here that are lifting cars.
Cloyster
It’s Arceus, by a large amount, in the #1 spot. He is Pokémon’s god and has taken on the other Creation Quartet members all by himself and whipped them easily. Ash and friends only calmed him down thanks to Dialga sending them back in time.
After Arceus is the other three Creation Quartet members, I’d say specifically in their Origin Forms. They still are god-like Pokemon which is way more than any Pokemon unlike these three (and Arceus can say).
After them is probably Ultra Necrozma, Perfect Zygarde, Hoopa-Unbound, (potentially Kyurem’s true form?), Eternamax Eternatus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre, Mega Rayquaza, Jirachi, and maybe Darkrai? All of them aside from Hoopa play a part in the region’s / world’s environment / balance and are a vital force. In terms of Hoopa-U idk why it can summon other legendaries but it can, and whether they’re real legendaries or just illusions, that power puts in top tier (although I don’t think it could control any of the Pokemon stronger than it). And Jirachi can grant wishes so there’s that. Darkrai has gone toe to toe with Dialga and Palkia and his nightmare abilities are no joke so he might deserve an honorable mention too.
After that is Pokemon that are ridiculously strong but maybe not as strong as the ones above it, like Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem and it’s forms, Mewtwo, Regigigas, Zacian, Zamazenta, Lugia, and Ho-Oh. They all have ridiculous feats but not world-level feats like any above it.
After that it’s not as clear to me with Pokemon like the swords of justice, johto legendary cats, the legendary birds, Soul duo, etc. They’re powerful but nowhere near anyone above them.
And I’m not sure where to rank Pokemon like Victini, Celebi, and Mew, as their abilities are all very impressive, but for example, in the case of Mew, while it’s DNA is linked to every Pokemon (with the likely exception of the Creation Quartet and maybe Pokemon from outer space) that doesn’t necessarily make it the strongest if every Pokemon has just a piece of it. Victini also guarantees victory to a trainer it chooses, but that might only extend to trainer battles, and it might not even apply to itself. Celebi can travel through time, but again, that’s more of an ability rather than a power.
It’s movie accurate Picachu
Duh Wooper
I have gen 1 bias so I’m still going with Mewtwo, specifically the one in the first movie. It may not have much raw power but its human ambition puts it above literal gods like Arceus. It’s the only pokemon to use and develop new technology. It’s the only pokemon to use other pokemon in battle like a trainer would. Theoretically Mewtwo can defeat the elite 4, be champion and then challenge and catch Arceus, MegaRay and all the OP mons.
It’s either Arceus or Ultra-Necrozma (though there’s another big ? pokemon I’ll mention at the end).
Arceus is fairly obvious, if your able to create the universe your able to do whatever you want, your power is near unwavering and everything should bend to your will. (I’m 90% confident even the Arceus we get in the games is only a fraction of the “True” Arceus. Only Arceus in name alone.) He’s easily leagues above 99% of pokemon, he alone knocks many strong contenders out, namely Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Victini (because despite Victini’s “always able to win” antics, I’m 100% confident Arceus can and will overwrite that shit), and well obviously the creation trio, so Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina. Also by being stronger than Dialga, the god of time, that immediately makes him stronger than any time-traveling shenanigans, so Celebi is beaten as well.
Okay so why Ultra-Necrozma? Simple, he seems to have no limit on power. His power is simply “the more light he absorbs, the stronger he becomes.” (This is also why he gets significantly stronger after absorbing specifically Solgaleo and Lunala, they’re beings of light, representing the Sun and the moon which both give off light.) He’s not even bound to the laws of Arceus’s universe, he’s from a different universe entirely, so this isn’t even a “can god create something even he cannot beat” kinda thing, it’s just can this random thing from another dimension beat god? There’s really nothing stopping him from absorbing all the light available in our universe and then just waltzing up to Arceus and wrecking house (potentially). I can’t imagine a star-fueled Ultra-Necrozma being an easy opponent, even for god. Stars are some of the most energy-filled things in the universe, to absorb a star is just ridiculous.
Okay so for the big ? pokemon, he’s actually in this image. Hoopa. What a load of shit.
He’s just super confusing and has a lot of random crap that shows up, such as (in the Manga) being able to just escape space-time distortion through his portals with no issue, only being forced back due to Ash. It’s also a big ? on whether Hoopa can or cannot just bring crap from other dimensions and universes whenever the heck he wants, in which case there’s essentially no limit to him. Also, in it’s only 4 pokedex entries, all in gen 6, the dex loves to mention how he can “warp space” and I don’t really know how strong that makes him, but bending the fabric of reality has to be some sort of consolation prize. Essentially, we don’t know that much about him, and he either has portals with no limit which would make him capable of being a menace to every reality at once, or he’s literally just essentially a strong giant which would make him comparable to even something like Tyranitar in strength, huge gap there.
Mega Rayquaza holding a chainsaw fosure